Future societies will look back on economics as a kind of foolish male mysticism, and Marçal’s book anticipates the tone of their laughter.
Decided to read the article being quoted. The article itself is fine, but it makes the book sound very unappealing.
We actually mentioned “GDP doesn’t cover unpaid within-household labor” and “GDP is weird about natural resources” in econ class, and this was a 1-semester Econ For Normal People class.
“Is that what humans are: Homo Economicus?” No? That’s a name that’s different from “Homo sapiens” for a reason.
I dislike the idea that my gender is fundamentally linked to collectivism and dependency. If this is what it means to be female, then send me testosterone pls.
The obvious solution is to abolish marriage as an institution where some people are expected to perform labor without compensation, and all other such institutions as well. Every worker deserves their reward, in whatever means of exchange they agree to with the person who benefits from their work.
And the book sounds sexist and gender-essentializing and while probably taking apart some stuff that needs to be taken apart, also grotesquely mischaracterizes a lot of stuff. It is also misgendering me as a “man” to which I will take exceptional levels of offense to.
Another article about it doesn’t help. Straw everywhere. Sounds like sneer culture. It seems to be approximately getting at the root of the problem (the working woman doesn’t get her pay because reasons) and shies off from the obvious implications (eradicate reasons, have the value-creators receive their pay) in favor of something vague which I’m worried would end up being “let’s use the state apparatus of violence to hurt promethea because money don’t real and economy don’t matter”.
There always seem to be undertones of “introduce mandatory maternal leave and make the ~employers~ pay for it” because what women need is totally a violently enforced structure making it economically rational to discriminate. But wait rationality don’t real so that’s why ~just commanding~ people to pay workers who don’t work will obviously work and it’s not like such laws have created a situation where asking people whether they are planning to have children is illegal and thus employers just discriminate indiscriminately against anyone who’s younger than 40 and looks like they might have a uterus.
[content warning: misandry, misogyny, violence against penises, abuse] The comments of my last post contained several people who were like “Ozy, you are excusing feminists! You would never write a post like this about MRAs!” To which I say: challenge fucking accepted. As far as I can tell, the genre of “two dozen out-of-context quotes without sources or anything” is not particularly popular among…
This is important and brilliant. Only a movement that has been hardened by the fires of truth in the crucible of accountability deserves to reign over the future.
Also, while it’s slightly off-topic I really appreciated these gems of rhetoric:
that an all-female comedy festival is exclusionary of men certainly seems prima facie plausible, but perhaps falls victim to the objection that all-male comedy festivals already exist, they are just not labeled as such.
While feminist sexism and rape apologism is shameful and “about as bad as the rest of society” is not exactly something to brag about, I do think that’s important to note.
this asker has ALL the hallmarks of a trans girl who hasn’t realised she’s a girl and you decide to tell her she has no worth. cis women are fucking unbelievable.
this is so obviously a trans girl who doesn’t know she’s a girl. it reads like a girl who’s lost and doesn’t have the words to describe what she’s feeling. and she’s reaching out (do you know how hard that is?) to a woman for guidance coz she’s obviously struggling with it, as in, it’s not within her realm of understanding, and it’s OBVIOUS. what the fuck is wrong with cis women
Honestly, I’m not sure that this is a struggling trans woman. Like it could be, but it also comes off to me like a guy complaining about how he feels guilty for being a man and expecting a woman to coddle to him. From that stand point I get why OP, who I consider a friend btw, would respond that way. Though it is very true that this person could be trans.
what is with the idea that there are secret hypothetical trans girls everywhere every time some cis dude whines about misogyny existing (heck we don’t even know if the guy there is cis)
sorry but it’s just not reasonable or possible to interact with every cis dude in a way that keeps in mind that they might-secretly-be-a-trans-girl even though they’ve never made any indication of that and are actively being harmful and demanding coddling from women
Well said my friend. Well said. <3
Trans women are women, we are not men. Why the flying fuck would we give a shit about a bunch of dudes who think they deserve a pat on the back for basic decency? We’re desperately trying to NOT be perceived as men. Are you people for real?
“Why the flying fuck would we give a shit about a bunch of dudes who think they deserve a pat on the back for basic decency? We’re desperately trying to NOT be perceived as men
“
(Figure 1: the tumblr trans community)
I support and want to protect all fellow AMAB people, cis or trans or whatever, whenever they struggle and are hurt due to their gender and the way it’s treated. No exceptions. I even stand for the trans people who horrify me, like those above, because this is the awful selfish and short-sighted mentality that can be beaten into anyone by oppression and alienation. I am no angel myself, I know. But this hurts me, this hurts my friends, it might very well push some vulnerable people over the edge.
Y’all are saying vile and oppressive things, but I think you can be better. You ought to reevaluate your positions.
“I support and want to protect all fellow AMAB people, cis or trans or whatever, whenever they struggle and are hurt due to their gender and the way it’s treated.”
like do you realize how hideous that statement is what the fuck is wrong w/ this
I rest my case.
did you seriously tag this “misandry cw” and “not trans enough.” the asker isnt “trans enough” because theyre not fucking trans. your argument is fucking incoherent. this is incoherent nonsense. yes, a cis man feelin bad about misogyny isnt fuckin “trans enough” because he Isnt Fucking Trans. what the hell is wrong with you.
Yeah honestly this post is a mess. Like, he specifically identifies as a man throughout the entire post.
Let alone like people acting like “amab” is a good way of aggregating people. like that seems basically counter to the last forever of trans women’s activism.
Yeah when I first saw this, I thought, that seems likely to be an AMAB trans person who hasn’t figured it out yet. It would not surprise me in the least.
But it is unreasonable (and frankly disturbing) to expect women (cis or trans) to put up with every man’s entitled bullshit just on the off-chance that one of them might not *really* be a man. That’s… basically male entitlement to women all over again. And it’s not like this person being secretly trans would make this message in any way acceptable behavior.
If this person is trans, I really hope they figure it out and become less of an entitled ass. I know it helped me. In the meantime, lesbiancraft handled it perfectly and everyone else needs to leave her the fuck alone.
“Men have no inherent worth, that’s reserved for women.”
Consider: “Women have no inherent worth, that’s reserved for men.”
Reversed stupidity is not intelligence.
People have worth. Period. Full stop.
To paraphrase Terry Pratchett:
“… Sin is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.”
“It’s a lot more complicated than that–”
“No it ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.”
“Oh, I’m sure there are worse crimes-”
“But they start with thinking about people as things…”
The fact that the entire post sequence up to(and not including, to some extent) @multiheaded1793 actually happened is one of the things that fucking terrifies me about SJ. someone comes to you claiming to have depression symptoms and a lack of self-worth and asks if they do indeed have human worth and you say no, and the response is ‘maybe you do, but only if you’re a trans woman’ not ‘what the fuck we were fighting against people having their self worth revoked for facts about their gender’?! Seriously, is every damn movement doomed to metamorphose into their own version of ‘our enemies aren’t human’?
I suppose yes, unless the paladins of Everything Else keep a constant watchful vigil over everything.
21-year-old
Otto Warmbier,
another man from Ohio who last week was convicted of subversion for
stealing a propaganda banner in North Korea, and sentenced to 15 years
hard labor. […] my mother’s callous reaction to Micahel
Fay’s sentence is my reaction to another young white man who went to an
Asian country and violated their laws, and learned that the shield his
cis white male identity provides here in America is not teflon abroad.
It goes on to talk about how acting recklessly in North Korea is a side effect of having been raised in the US with white privilege and says that, effectively, he deserves whatever he gets.
No! Bad! WTF is wrong with you?Are we so stuck in a crab bucket mentality that, when oppressive power comes down on an arbitrary member of the out group, we have to celebrate it?
Coming from a country filled with citizens who lambaste black victims of
state sanctioned violence by telling us that if we obey the law, we
wouldn’t have to face the consequences, Warmbier should’ve listened. […] And if Eric Garner
is to be blamed for his own death for selling loose cigarettes or if
Sandra Bland is dead because she failed to signal when changing lanes,
then Otto Warmbier is now facing a decade and a half of hard labor
because he lacked both good judgment and respect for the national
autonomy of a country which has made its hatred for and vendetta against
America unequivocally clear.
Yep, nothing but crabs in a bucket. “A member of your tribe has to suffer the arbitrariness of state violence, because members of my tribe do, too!” Eric Garner shouldn’t have been killed. That was terrible. Nobody should be treated so despicably by a “justice” system.
But that fucking means ‘nobody’. The world isn’t made a better place by “balancing out” the suffering of one group of people with the suffering of another. It isn’t improved by an attitude that laughs gleefully whenever Those People come to harm.
And if your social justice sees oppression and says “Hooray! The hated out group is bleeding”, then there is no ‘justice’ in you.
And if your social justice sees oppression and says “Hooray! The hated out group is bleeding”, then there is no ‘justice’ in you.
I think this is the most #endorsed statement anybody has ever made to me about sj.
Just to be clear, I’m actually fucking serious about this one. Applying for it, and overthrowing them later if I can’t take over and systematically reform them.
Because of stuff like this. “the aggressor is almost always a man and the victim a woman”; “Finnish government should make it clear that female [emphasis added] circumcision is a violation of human rights and as such is unacceptable.”; “Other major problems include trafficking in women, prostitution and pornography [and their] side effects.” (translation is as shitty as the implications of their policies because finnish is fucking weird)
Like, there’s an extremely obvious way in which you could’ve not thrown people under the bus, yet you deliberately chose not to do it. You deliberately excluded people from the “deserving of having their issues addressed” group. And I’m not talking about any “All lives matter” derailment bullshit but more like “there’s sexism outside tech and colleges you know”.
Also, how about we talk about the way evidence suggests pornography, if anything, reduces sexual violence. Yeah, welcome to the real world where stuff is not always pretty and clear-cut and awfully convenient. Or maybe we should discuss your bullshit attitude towards sex workers.
And then there’s all the grassroots transmisogyny etc. of which there’s ample reports but which they naturally neglect to mention on their website (serious accountability and transparency procedures: my reform #3 if I get the job). Or the way it began as a non-segregated organization but proceeded to throw out everyone except binary cis women in the late 1900s, and then the old guard uses dirty procedural tricks to keep it that way.
ranma-official asked: I'm doing backend work on this software and we had a discussion on colorblind friendly ui (there's a lot of types of colorblindness) and our project lead just closed the ticket as insignificant and linked to a bunch of articles on male privilege
complain that this is erasing transfeminine people and POC residents of certain islands :P
(seriously, though, wow. color-blind people are, iirc, more common than autistics, even! apparently now being unsupportive of people with x-linked disabilities is feminist. ugh.)
