promethea.incorporated

brave and steely-eyed and morally pure and a bit terrifying… /testimonials /evil /leet .ask? .ask_long?


shieldfoss:
“ ilzolende:
“ thathopeyetlives:
“ rightwingtoday:
“ and-mine-would-be-you:
“ fallinghumans:
“ Preach
”
YESSSSS
”
I love this.
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I don’t. Why?
They will. Possibly within her lifetime.
It is only a matter of time. Only the rebelliousness...

shieldfoss:

ilzolende:

thathopeyetlives:

rightwingtoday:

and-mine-would-be-you:

fallinghumans:

Preach

YESSSSS

I love this.

I don’t. Why?

They will. Possibly within her lifetime


It is only a matter of time. Only the rebelliousness and poverty of the majority of transsexuals is slowing it down. 


It is prideful to think that this argument will not be trampled by the march of human science, and simply foolish to think either that said science will do nothing that is far more horrible or far more glorious than this. 


And if we cannot deal with the world of rising power and madness, while maintaining our principles and our humanity? Then we (at best) become relics like the Sentinelese, and at worst are thrown to the wolves. 

(If we can deal with it, then we have a world to win.)

Also, people who by these criteria are not women include anyone who doesn’t get pregnant (radfems: think “many lesbians”, religious people: think “nuns”), people who don’t undergo severe mental changes during their menustral cycles (I wouldn’t describe any of my gender/ASAB-related experiences as “hormonal insanity”, and I doubt I’m alone in this), and people who die before hitting menopause. (I would mention “pre-pubescent people” but they are arguably actually not women.)

And trans people generally take hormones? Which, when taking effect, probably causes “mood fluctuations” comparable if not more severe than having a menustral cycle causes.

Note: Desiree is not offended. She’s “offended.”

Desiree is also offensive and I’m offended by her but still!

Also, that list reads more like “things we need to liberate AFABs from”, not “things we need to impose on trans women as well”

also,

And cis women who have been born without uteruses (or who have undergone a hysterectomy) are also without many of those

And I could make a similar list about shitty things that make one a “real man” and conclude that Caitlyn definitely isn’t one of those either

Let’s see… unwanted erections all over the place, a sex drive that feels like an agonizing compulsion instead of a source of joy, inability to think clearly when subjected to sexual stimulus or a status contest, the pain and discomfort of suffering physically in hard and demeaning jobs, the stoic necessity of killing one’s vulnerability to not have people descend upon it like a pack of vultures, the gutwrenching feeling when one realizes that others have seen you as a threat and gotten creeped out or worse and one knows that the only thing one can do is to let it be because trying to correct the misunderstanding would just be worse, all the myriad pains related to external gonads etc.

(and if you’re a cis man and you say you don’t experience some of the above, well, that’s exactly my point)

(via shieldfoss)

2 weeks ago · tagged #transmisogyny cw #cissexism cw #fuck the natural order · 747 notes · source: fallinghumans · .permalink


brazenautomaton:

ursaeinsilviscacant:

nostalgebraist:

Another post on Galileo’s Middle Finger, having finally finished the book.  (Previous posts: Maria New and prenatal dex, also various posts in the tag #michael bailey cw?)

Galileo’s Middle Finger (hereafter GMF) is a strange book.  On one level, the book’s content is pretty easy to make sense of: Alice Dreger has been involved in a number of dramatic academic controversies over the course of her career, and she figured (sensibly enough) that people might enjoy reading a book that retells these stories.  To some extent, she just presents the book as “a memoir of the controversies I’ve been involved in.”

However, she also claims that these stories are connected by an overarching theme, which is something like this:

“Scientists and activists often find themselves at odds, on opposite sides of angry battles.  But everyone should recognize that truth and justice are intimately connected: you can’t help the victims of injustice if you don’t care about the facts of the situation, and if you’re in a unique position to explore facts (such as an academic job), you ought to steer your investigations toward the social good – not by sacrificing the truth, but by looking for the truths that can help.  Activists need to be more concerned with truth, and scientists need to be more concerned with justice.  And if both sides followed this advice, they would be at odds far less often.”

All of this sounds very agreeable to me; I think I already more-or-less agreed with it before I read Dreger’s book.  But do Dreger’s accounts of various controversies actually serve as useful examples of this stuff?  Not always.  And Dreger’s attempts to link everything back to her theme produce some awkward results.


Besides a few minor subplots, there are three controversies narrated in GMF.  First, she narrates the controversy over Michael Bailey’s book The Man Who Would Be Queen.  Second, the controversy over Patrick Tierney’s book Darkness in El Dorado, which accused anthropologist Napoleon Chagnon of genocide as well as various other wrongdoings.  Third, Dreger’s investigations into Maria New and her struggles to get her criticisms recognized by government bodies and the public.

Of these three, it’s the Tierney/Chagnon case that most directly fits Dreger’s theme.  Tierney’s book was a work of shoddy hack journalism which made spectacular allegations that have been uniformly refuted by later investigators.  (N.B. Tierney made many allegations, and some of the more minor ones have been less clearly refuted, but those weren’t the ones that made headlines.)  Nonetheless, shortly after the book came out, the American Anthropological Association quickly endorsed Tierney’s book – the academic equivalent of reflexively believing a callout post without checking the sources.

Reading this in terms of Dreger’s theme seems straightforward: in its concern for justice, the AAA neglected the value of truth, and thus failed to even serve justice.

Even here, though, the theme strains a bit.  The Tierney debacle was not exactly a conflict between “activists” and “academics”; the people under-valuing truth in the service of justice were the academics of the AAA.  (Tierney could arguably be called an “activist,” but Dreger treats him – rightly, it seems to me – as a hack journalist from whom more concern for the truth cannot be expected.)

The Maria New story also lacks a clear instance of an activist failing to sufficiently value truth.  In that story, Dreger is the activist, raising ethical concerns from the outside about an established academic, and her activism is directly grounded in science that she believes that academic is ignoring.  She may intend this as an example of “activism done right” (about which more later), and/or as a case of an academic caring too little about justice.  But it’s not as though New is ignoring justice because truth is her only value; as Dreger notes, her prenatal dex work has produced little in the way of academic knowledge.  So again, it’s hard to see this as an illustration of the theme.

So far, it looks like Dreger has failed to exhibit an example of activists behaving badly, although this is crucial to her theme.  The third story (well, first as presented in the book), about Michael Bailey, is her main (and only) example of this.  But of the three stories, it’s that one that fits the theme least well.

Dreger’s account of the Bailey controversy shares a quality with her account of the Chagnon controversy: both are told as stories of lovable and humane, if out-of-touch, researchers being persecuted by ignorant people who don’t understand them.  Dreger spends a great deal of text talking about how much she personally likes Bailey and Chagnon – Bailey is a personal friend, Chagnon she met while investigating that controversy.  As “characters” in the book, they downright glow.  They’re funny, they’re good company, they both have cute and harmonious marriages.

It makes sense to write stuff like this in order to humanize people who have been demonized by others.  But one has to note here that none of this bears on the “truth” side of the things.  It’s certainly possible for someone to have committed genocide and still be a warm and sparkling conversationalist at the dinner table; it’s possible for Michael Bailey to be a great guy if you know him personally, and nonetheless to have been wrong about trans women.

With Chagnon, this tension never becomes relevant, because as a matter of simple fact, Chagnon was exonerated by multiple serious investigators.  With Bailey, the tension is glaringly relevant, because the issue of whether Bailey is actually right never gets fully addressed in Dreger’s treatment.  Indeed, she treats it almost as an irrelevant side issue.  Where is the value of truth here?

To be fair, Dreger does put her beliefs on the table about the issue.  But these beliefs seem to reveal little serious interest in the questions involved.  She seems to have uncritically bought the Blanchard-Bailey line – possibly because she only cares about these issues insofar as they affect her good friend Michael Bailey? – and to have done little investigation into academic work on transgender beyond this.

Astonishingly, for instance, the phrase “gender dysphoria” never appears in GMF at all.  (A word-search for “dysphoria” turns up only one result, in the title of a Blanchard paper cited in the endnotes.)  When Dreger presents her account of trans women, she talks about (for instance) transitioning as a choice made by feminine gay men in order to better fit into homophobic social environments, stressing that these people might not have transitioned if feminine gay identities were more accepted in their local environments.  I’m willing to believe this happens sometimes – but Dreger seems to actually not know that gender dysphoria is a thing.  This is in a book published in 2015.  One wonders if she’s ever even looked up the condition in the DSM (which changed the name from “Gender Identity Disorder” to “Gender Dysphoria” in the 2013 DSM-V, but even before that had included dysphoria as one of the two major diagnostic criteria).

Dreger has a page on her website, written after GMF was published, in which she responds to questions about “autogynephilia” and states her current positions.  Again, she never mentions gender dysphoria.  Of Blanchard’s androphilic/autogynephilic typology, she says that “I think what I’ve seen from the scientific clinical literature and socioculturally suggests this division makes sense.”  She does not provide any citations, and does not address critiques (see here) that the data show a continuum which does not separate well into two clusters.

I belabor all of this because Dreger’s indifference to the truth here simply makes GMF fundamentally incoherent.  I agree with Dreger’s theme; I have no clue how she thinks the Bailey story illustrates it.


But wait – Dreger’s claim is that activists value truth too little in their quests for justice.  Does this hold true for the activists who attacked Michael Bailey?

Again, Dreger seems to not much care.  She devotes a lot of space to the claims made by these activists, but mostly to express confusion over them.  Noting that some of them display what look to her like signs of autogynephilia, she scratches her head: why are they angry at a book for talking about autogynephilia?  One would think that someone in Dreger’s position – someone interested in getting to the bottom of situations where truth and justice appear to conflict – ought to answer a question like this.  Dreger doesn’t.  Her attitude is basically: “who are these weird people attacking my friend Michael?  What do they want?  They’re so confusing!  Michael is a scientist, so maybe they don’t like science?  Jeez, who knows!!!”

What she substitutes for consideration of these issues – and let me be clear, this is not nothing – is a detailed, blow-by-blow account of the nasty, dishonest ways in which the activists tried to ruin Michael Bailey’s reputation.  They were, in fact, really nasty.  But people don’t just do things like that for no reason.  What about the larger questions of truth and justice here?  Why do these activists believe Michael Bailey is so harmful?  Could it be the case that Bailey is harmful, to the point that defaming him is a net good?

Dreger never mentions this sort of idea, but it hangs uncomfortably over her whole book.  She bemoans the fact that her work on Maria New – which is generally polite and non-nasty, if very harsh on New – has failed to make appreciable waves in the world, beyond loading the first page of Google results with dex-critical pages.  On the other hand, Bailey’s book is now solely known as the subject of a stormy controversy, which received huge amounts of media discussion.  What if nasty activism is sometimes necessary to get the job done?  What if simply having both truth and justice on your side isn’t enough?  And, putting it the other way around, how can Dreger assume that the anti-Bailey crowd didn’t have truth and justice on its side, just because they were nasty and vicious to her friend?

In Dreger’s telling, Andrea James is a scary asshole who sends her possibly-physical threats via email, and Michael Bailey and Napoleon Chagnon are precious cinnamon rolls.  But fighting for truth-and-justice is not the same as identifying the Nice People and the Mean People.  These may in fact be (I hate to say it) largely unrelated endeavors.

A serious book about activism, science, truth and justice would begin with these disquieting possibilities, and then explore from there.  (One example that book might look at: Dreger’s earlier non-nasty activism for intersex people has gotten stuff done.)  Dreger’s book instead stays in an overly cozy universe, where “fighting for good” and “defending her lovable buddies against the bad meanies” can never be conflicting goals.

“What if nasty activism is sometimes necessary to get the job done?  What if simply having both truth and justice on your side isn’t enough?”

I really want more serious treatment of this question from someone sensible. Obviously I really hope the answer is no, and I am tired of discourse from people who seem like they would actively prefer the answer to be yes (although maybe it’s only my bias making them seem that way.) But yeah, doe anyone know of any decent book-length discussions of the issue which look at real-life situations?

The answer is no because the moment you decide that nasty activism is necessary to get the job done you completely lose the capacity to distinguish “cases when nasty activism is a distasteful necessity” from “cases where nasty activism can be used to punish people for saying things that make me upset, or just for the crime of being unpopular and perceptible to me.”

This is proving too much. If one contrasts nasty activism to violence, one could say the exact same thing, and to some degree it’s quite true (PoliceMob being a very good example of insufficiently restrained violence, contrast with BadSJMob), but the actually correct answer would probably be “it’s possible to use it usefully, but most of the time it’s a bad idea and completely abstaining from it is way less likely to be harmful than using it indiscriminately”.

TL;DR and a fucking massive disclaimer to not get this misunderstood and misrepresented by everyone: I think most nastiness is excessive and unwarranted, but consider it at least possibly excusable in some situations where people are reacting to sufficiently shitty things, and Bailey is up there in the list of “those few cases where nastiness and extremism might be okay”, along with the likes of Judge Rotenberg Centre etc.; and it’s really shitty that if I say “Bailey is terrible, scorn him”, some asshole somewhere will take it as endorsement of heaping abuse on some kid whose only crime was not being up to date with their shibboleths.

(descriptions of dirty tricks, nasty sj, and other dark underbelly-of-the-world things below the cut)

Keep reading

2 weeks ago · tagged #nastiness cw #transmisogyny cw #cissexism cw #suicide cw #the best heuristic for oppressed people since sharp stick time · 54 notes · source: nostalgebraist · .permalink


argumate:

@socialjusticemunchkin:

[…]

I’m not against the book and I don’t really want to be mean and I was entertained by all the exerpts I’ve seen of it, but I just think that there is ~complexity~ at play which pattern-matches to the kinds of things that have empirically been very harmful to people and ideas I care about and thus there is some cause for concern in how said ~complexity~ is addressed.

That’s fair enough, but I feel there is a certain hypersensitivity issue that comes up repeatedly around these topics.

And I realise that even by framing it in those terms I’m sort of playing into the narrative, eg. it sounds like I’m accusing people of caring too much and hence implicitly endorsing deaths and genocide, which is far from the truth. But there seems to be a greased waterslide where anything that smacks of mockery gets associated with every act of mockery ever, particularly the really nasty ones.

Ultimately it always boils down to whether the mockery is detected as coming from inside the tent or outside the tent, because mockery from outsiders cannot be tolerated or it will lead to gulags and terrible suffering.

But mockery is a common part of criticism, and forbidding criticism from outside the tent unless it can be expressed in more respectful and restrained terms even than those used by insiders basically shuts down all possible criticism.

I mean you give various examples of how mockery can have bad consequences, but they are not all very compelling. Many critics of cryopreservation mock it out of sheer frustration that people keep persisting with methods that cannot work, arguably a misallocation of resources that can lead to deaths from opportunity cost alone. (And of course proponents of cryopreservation can mock those who oppose it, when they are aren’t being outraged about Deathists).

While the dudes in dresses rhetoric often accompanies violence, I think it would be simplistic to say that it causes the violence. You could say that letting it pass unchallenged excuses the violence and sends a signal about what is acceptable.

But now the discussion has suddenly shifted from a mocking tone being used in philosophical discussions to actual violence and murder! I’ve seen plenty of jokes made at the expense of P-zombies, but as far as I know none of them have resulted in acts of aggression against people who lack qualia.

This isn’t intended as a defence of mocking people or being a jerk. But I think that some humour is justifiable in response to published texts pushing a political or philosophical worldview explicitly intended to convince others, and that forbidding any attempt at humour would make for a poorer world.

(And you know, someone would have to go searching through LessWrong and edit out any sarcastic remarks about talking snakes in the garden of Eden, and that sounds like way too much work).

My argument is basically that mocking the weird-sounding arguments that are low-status is significantly more harmful than mocking the weird-sounding arguments that are commonly accepted, and that I’d really appreciate it if people did less of the first type of mocking and if they are unable to tell the difference then doing less mocking whatsoever would be nice. (Heuristic for determining mocking: is it likely to feed into a pattern where people dismiss something out of hand based on the stereotype: “dudes in dresses lol” is a common dismissal of arguments for why trans people should be taken seriously, and “human popsicles lol” is a common dismissal of arguments for why attempts at cryonics (or alternative technologies pursuing the same goals) should be taken seriously, and “robot gods lol” is a common dismissal of arguments for why AI should be taken seriously.)

If I could achieve such an equilibrium by reducing the amount of “talking snakes lol” in the world I’d take the deal. And I want to scorn the people who only focus on mocking (not really blaming the author so much, but rather the people who take it as an excuse to engage in “robot gods lol” and “rationalists are nazis lol”) without having adequately engaged the arguments; it’s one thing to have “here’s my thorough argument for why I don’t believe in cryonics working: (…) in summary, human popsicles lol” because at least it has some actual arguments to address (and Cthulhu knows I’m sometimes snarky in my own writing), while just “human popsicles lol” makes it way too easy to dismiss attempts at addressing it with simple repetition of “human popsicles lol”.

I don’t know if this makes any sense as written, but it does in my head, and the brainpattern-to-language translation is at fault if it doesn’t.

1 month ago · tagged #cissexism cw #basilisk bullshit #transmisogyny cw #death cw #status games cw · 122 notes · source: argumate · .permalink


argumate:

@socialjusticemunchkin:

That fucking basilisk story was totally misrepresented though.

Sure, it is entertaining to say “freaked out when a computer program from the future threatened to hurt him” and I always enjoy such entertainment, but I enjoy it as cheap self-decrepating humor while many others seem to actually take it as argumentation and that is a bad thing. The basilisk was a security hole in the software of some human brains that needed investigating and patching so that it would not present a potential issue later.

I’m no stranger to seemingly unintuitive ideas that are trivial to mock despite being actually way more serious and thus anything that smells like an attempt to avoid addressing such things by pointing out how superficially ridiculous they appear puts The One Which Watches The Watchers into Defcon 3. I don’t think I should need to point out that “haha basilisk lol look at these fucking bayesians” is exactly the same kind of argument as “haha look at this scrawny dude who thinks he can be a lesbian just by popping some magic pills and wearing skirts lolnope”.

The Basilisk story fits in with various themes of the book, such as “red pill” ideas that drive one to madness and or reveal the hidden horror at the heart of things, plus the end of humanity and various attempts to hasten or avoid it.

For the Basilisk to be an issue in the first place requires accepting a whole bunch of propositions about the nature of consciousness, artificial intelligence, and future recoverability of information. But although this particular formulation is highly specific to the LessWrong community, as a literary phenomenon it crops up elsewhere in a variety of other guises, which is interesting.

Finally, please remember that Eliezer proposed giving lectures in a clown suit to avoid building up a cult of unnecessary formality and respect for appearances. People are awfully sensitive about the merest hint of sneer culture, and it is actually possible to have mild teasing that doesn’t result in pogroms.

Because “haha human popsicles lol” has never [possibly] resulted in gross misallocation of humanity’s resources and massive amounts of [possibly] unnecessary deaths, enforced by both coercively banning and culturally scorning this silly thing no sane person would engage in

Because “haha insect rights lol” has never resulted in people dismissing the [possible] horrible utilitarian catastrophe that might be going on, enforced by culturally scorning this silly thing no respectable person would engage in (and it can be argued that ag-gag laws are also coercively trying to ban animal rights work)

Because “haha dudes in dresses lol” has never resulted in people trying to morally and violently mandate vulnerable populations out of existence, enforced by both coercively banning and culturally scorning this silly thing no sane person would engage in

Because “haha adults watching cartoons lol” has never resulted in genuinely non-conforming people suffering unnecessarily, enforced by culturally scorning this silly thing no respectable person would engage in (and it can be argued that some laws are also coercively banning parts of it)

Because we live in a libertarian utopia where the vox populi can’t eradicate unpopular ideas by scorning dem and voting the scorn into violent enforcement

Because insiders being self-decrepating and outsiders being mocking is the exact same thing

Because none of us have ever had experience from living at the bottom of the status ladder

Because such a ladder definitely doesn’t exist and any attempts to claim that there are positions of informal power which dramatically influence the actual material effects of teasing are cultural marxism and sjw propaganda

I’m not against the book and I don’t really want to be mean and I was entertained by all the exerpts I’ve seen of it, but I just think that there is ~complexity~ at play which pattern-matches to the kinds of things that have empirically been very harmful to people and ideas I care about and thus there is some cause for concern in how said ~complexity~ is addressed.

1 month ago · tagged #basilisk bullshit #cissexism cw #transmisogyny cw #neckbeards are my ingroup #death cw #status games cw · 122 notes · source: argumate · .permalink


ozymandias271:

theunitofcaring:

aargh the slatestarcodex commentators

so Scott made formal what I think has been policy for a while, which is that you get warned and then banned for misgendering people, and a lot of people responded to this by explaining how they have principles about the use of language that make it impossible for them in an intellectually honest way to use trans peoples’ preferred pronouns

and I’m exasperated because this is the internet, literally the only information anyone has about anyone else’s gender is what that person says, there’s nothing principled about “I will take you at face value about what you claim your gender is on the internet, unless you also claim on the internet to be trans, in which case I will guess your birth gender and call you that, because I feel like it’s dishonest of me to do otherwise”. 

if you want to take a brave stand against language policing, “I will only believe 95% of the people I talk to on the internet about their gender, the other 5% I can’t, on principle, believe” is not such a stand. 

and if you want to misgender people on the internet to prove you won’t be silenced by the Man, why not misgender cis people? you’ll cause less hurt, and you have as much reason to believe I’m really a woman as you have to believe anyone else is really a woman. in the case of all of us, you are taking our word for it. 

You know, I have principles about not misgendering people, and there are many blogs where I will be banned for not calling people the pronouns of their assigned sex at birth.

I solve this problem by not commenting on those blogs.

I would commend this strategy to others.

1 month ago · tagged #strongly endorsed #cissexism cw · 109 notes · source: theunitofcaring · .permalink


argumate:

The reaction (ha!) to Neoreaction a Basilisk from the local rationalist(-adjacent) community has been narrowly focused on these core issues:

1. Is this book accusing Yudkowsky of being neoreactionary?

2. No really, is it? I mean why else would it group him with Moldbug?

3. That fuckin’ Basilisk story, that was totally misinterpreted.

Having read it, I think it’s helpful to understand that this book is not attempting to be the annotated history of Internet politics circa 2k10, and the claims that it does make in service of its overall trajectory are modest and reasonable.

It is also worth remembering that not every work of literature is a textbook intended to be interpreted as a sequence of logical propositions. A community that sees value in communicating information in the form of fanfiction, poetry, and jokes should be well aware of this.

Finally the book does not just discuss Yudkowsky, Moldbug, and Land, but also the Matrix, Hannibal, and the works of Milton and Blake, among other things. Tying these topics together in no way implies that Yudkowsky is neoreactionary, any more than it implies that Nick Land is one of the Wachowski siblings or that Moldbug is a good writer.

That fucking basilisk story was totally misrepresented though.

Sure, it is entertaining to say “freaked out when a computer program from the future threatened to hurt him” and I always enjoy such entertainment, but I enjoy it as cheap self-decrepating humor while many others seem to actually take it as argumentation and that is a bad thing. The basilisk was a security hole in the software of some human brains that needed investigating and patching so that it would not present a potential issue later.

I’m no stranger to seemingly unintuitive ideas that are trivial to mock despite being actually way more serious and thus anything that smells like an attempt to avoid addressing such things by pointing out how superficially ridiculous they appear puts The One Which Watches The Watchers into Defcon 3. I don’t think I should need to point out that “haha basilisk lol look at these fucking bayesians” is exactly the same kind of argument as “haha look at this scrawny dude who thinks he can be a lesbian just by popping some magic pills and wearing skirts lolnope”.

1 month ago · tagged #basilisk bullshit #cissexism cw #transmisogyny cw · 122 notes · source: argumate · .permalink


trickytalks:

ilzolende:

socialjusticemunchkin:

ilzolende:

argumate:

I mean I’ve seen videos where they talk to little kids and it’s like hey Sally what do you think about the wage gap? and Billy you should really stop contributing to rape culture, don’t you think? and hey they’re eight years old, sure it helps to teach about communication and consent etc. but these kids are going to be convinced that gender is a warzone before they hit puberty, let alone college.

unsurprising that an increasing number say fuck this I’m out, nb4life y’all

just look at the incentives

you say that like “nonbinary” or “agender” is truly neutral

i would guess enbies are, on average, more supportive of intersectional feminism than either men or women

Speaking as a supporter of intersectional feminism, this makes perfect sense as a central point of intersectional feminism is to stop the war and establish a fair peace treaty. Of course there are those career guerrillas who are incentivized to see the war going on because they can’t imagine anything else, but the rest of us are actually trying to solve the problems.

There’s promethean-steel-feminism!intersectional feminism, and then there’s, uh, “intersectional” “feminism”. I feel that nonbinarity is correlated somewhat with the latter, unfortunately. Which is definitely a faction.

The other dimension that possibly divides different kinds of feminists is the relative focus on gender abolitionism. On the one hand, everyone is treated equally if gender does not exist. On the other, people with strong gender identities, and trans people who want to pass/express their strong gender identity with coded body language, clothing, etc – can’t. I imagine cis-by-default, nonbinary, and agender people would be more likely to support the first, while trans people would be more likely to support the second.

And all these being under the umbrella of intersectional feminism.

Me bridging gaps between different groups seems to be a thing, and as a non-binary trans person my gender abolitionism is basically gender pluralism taken to its logical conclusion.

I don’t expect gender to stop existing, but it can probably be transformed into unrecognizability by morphological freedom and abolishing cultural prescriptiveness.

For every single thing in hard gender some trans people benefit from, some other trans people suffer from it just as well, and people who want to be “the kind of people who wear skirts and like flowers and have a certain kind of body language” can still be that kind of people even if we destroy the idea that trans women aren’t women if they wear pants. There are numerous people with strong gender identities who can’t be perceived as members of their gender if said gender is assumed to consist of cultural things that are personally incompatible with them.

A huge number of trans people seem to be basically “gender is bullshit, I’m definitely a woman and people should respect that, but I don’t want to have to suffer all the social prescriptions to prove it, I want to be an individual person damnit not a role (still 100% woman though you don’t take that away from me)” and I can’t see how they would be incompatible with postgender hyperpluralist morphological freedom utopia which allows people to specify their gender as a modifier which is not intrinsically linked to their clothes/body language/etc. and most importantly not invalidated by not having the right kind of clothes/body language/etc.

I understand that in our current cistem dystopia some women would be misgendered as men if men wearing skirts was more normal, but that isn’t a flaw in “men wearing skirts was more normal” but rather in “would be misgendered if”. Assholes not respecting people’s genders is the problem, and trying to shift around the disrespect (”don’t invalidate us, invalidate those other women instead!”) doesn’t help, eradicating the disrespect does. That’s what must be done. Trying to survive in the cistem is a necessity I will not condemn, but trying to maintain the cistem of disrespecting people’s genders is a violation of others’ self-determination and gender freedom, and as a free and open source gender advocate I will not tolerate it.

This is what I want to abolish. The disrespect and the invalidation and the idea that people aren’t allowed to choose. Another’s right to choose is not a violation of my gender freedom; my attempt to impose my views on gender upon them would be.

2 months ago · tagged #steel feminism #cissexism cw #transmisogyny cw #truscum cw · 36 notes · source: argumate · .permalink


unknought:

ozymandias271:

Really good, sad SF short story about a trans girl.

On the third read-through I managed to only get a bit misty-eyed at the end.

Fiction doesn’t do this to me, what the hell.

A bit misty-eyed and screaming inside…

Keep reading

2 months ago · tagged #in which promethea's brain takes ideas very seriously #cissexism cw #never attribute to incompetence that which can be adequately explained by malice #calm down brain #death cw · 59 notes · source: ozymandias271 · .permalink


wirehead-wannabe:

ozymandias271:

I have come up with a WAY OF MEASURING CUCKS

The gram of our cuck-measuring system is the cuck proper: a small-penised unmanly white man’s white wife has casual sex with a manly large-penised man of a race white nationalists are insecure about, she gets pregnant and he raises the child, and he gets off on it because it is humiliating. This will be rated “1″. 

Things that participate to a degree in the Form of Cuck may now be ranked. For instance, using a sperm donor is about 0.2 cucks; supporting open borders is about 0.6 cucks (points have been subtracted for it being metaphorical). One may easily deduce which man is cucking which man, by carefully assessing which one’s cuck score is higher. Thus, we have settled such thorny issues as “if I’m poly but my husband’s dick is bigger than my boyfriend’s, who am I cucking?” (The husband, unless the boyfriend has spent at least $100 per extra inch on you.)

In rare cases, one may have over one cuck: for instance, if one has sex with the local cult leader one’s husband dislikes and then hangs around in a shirt saying “Harem Member of the Rightful Caliph” in order to annoy him, that would be at least two cucks. However, these extreme circumstances should be left to the experienced cuckologist, because of the danger they may pose to the unwary.

This is good, but I feel like habitual cucking should get more points than a single instance of casual sex.

Okay but a few important questions about cuckness levels that I can’t find the answer for anywhere:

If a trans woman has sex with a neoreactionary’s wife, is it less cuck (because women don’t count) or more cuck (because neoreactionaries see trans women as failed men and thus especially humiliating to be surpassed by)? How does the state and proportion of her genitals factor into this?

All in all, what is the relationship of penis size and cuckness? Does it invert in “non-legitimate” situations; is it extra cuck for a manly big-dicked guy to still fail to keep his wife monogamous, and supercuck if the guy cucking the husband has a micropenis?

If there is an inversion where the big-dicked husband is cucking the poly boyfriend, but the micropenised paramour is cucking the husband, can we construct a situation of exactly zero cucks for any given combination by manipulating the degree of legitimacy of the relationships?

How about gender and cuck? Is this strictly binhet only or is the model able to deal with bis and enbies? Is there an inflection point where enbies stop being counted as members of the gender everyone misgenders them as or is it roughly linear all the way? Or are there “uncanny valleys” of enbie cuck that are especially un/cuck; what kind of a fuction should we use to fit the graph? How is cuck counted for lesbians or gay men?

Is ability to theoretically/actually get pregnant/sire a spawn how significant? If a trans woman and a trans man have a genetic child together, how does the cuckulus work?

How do political views factor into cuck? In the standard measurement reference, what are the assumed opinions of the participants? Is supporting open borders still cuck if one is of a race white nationalists are insecure about? Can we get a thorough ordering of nationalities in order of cuckness; I know Sweden is first but which one comes next (for the sake of simplicity let’s just assume a median or mean representative of the populations)? How about ethnicities and religions? Is a white muslim convert more or less cucky than a syriac christian?

So many important questions.

2 months ago · tagged #cucked in the cuck by my own cuck #nsfw text #cissexism cw #racism cw · 51 notes · source: ozymandias271 · .permalink


Are EDCs Blurring Issues of Gender?

(ncbi.nlm.nih.gov)

Bernard Weiss, a professor of environmental medicine and pediatrics at the University of Rochester, reviewed the existing literature on sexually dimorphic nonreproductive behaviors as indicators of endocrine disruption. Weiss made a strong evidence-based case that “gender-specific regional differentiation of the brain and, ultimately, its expression in behavior are guided by the gonadal hormones,” and that the process is subject to interference by drugs and environmental contaminants. He points out that sex differences in performance and behavior are not—but should be—a recognized criterion in developmental neurotoxicity testing.

They… are… seriously… treating… gender… non-conformity… as… a… chemically… induced… birth… defect…

They are seriously implying that something should be banned just because it makes people behave in sufficiently non-stereotypical ways, even if it’s completely harmless.

3 months ago · tagged #in which promethea fails to comprehend median people #in which promethea's brain takes ideas very seriously #in which promethea can't run and can't hide #cissexism cw · 1 note · .permalink