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cyborgbutterflies:

A lot of people go all “Youth rights is all about stupid white kids who wish they were oppressed” but I don’t think anyone could honestly deny that minors have a lot of serious limitations to their freedoms and their parents are often allowed and encouraged to treat them as property and even hit them, as long as they don’t do it too much.

But they don’t even try to deny that minors are legally and socially treated worse than adults. They just say that it’s a good thing for them to be treated that way, or at least that parents have a right to do it because they take care of the bills (imagine if someone tried that excuse for abusing their wife or something instead).

This is the same pattern I see with fatphobia. People’s objection isn’t that fat people aren’t oppressed, they just think that they deserve it or that it’s for their own good.

Actual Misandry seems to have this too. “Yes, men deserve to have violent emotionally repressed lives and be treaten as disposable.”

This is interesting, because I’m picking a pattern which suggests that “group X is treated badly” receives either “yes, so what” if people consider it okay and deserved, and “not true” if people consider it not okay (dat just world bias); for example, the “lol male tears” kind of feminists usually try to establish constructs explaining it away (”dat privilege tho” or “that’s a men-on-men problem”) instead of outright saying “yes that’s how it should be”, or how really few people are willing to go on record saying that the traditional targets of anti-discrimination efforts should be discriminated against while a lot of people are really invested in arguing that the discrimination doesn’t exist.

Extrapolating from that, if youth rights and anti-fatphobia got more popular people would start thinking they already are treated equally. There’s probably a slight connection mechanism to reality in the sense that popularizing youth rights wouldn’t work so well because of laws explicitly making the oppression obvious as it would be nigh-impossible to claim minors are equal with a straight face (although people totally would try anyway).

And this might also explain why nominal legal equality is so popular while trying to do anything about the substantial problems (non-violently; even when leaving state action out of this it still applies very strongly) gets a pushback. People who don’t want things to be improved can gather around de jure equality and claim it fixes everything while leaving de facto oppression and biases untouched. (Once again, even the male tears feminists tend to oppose conscription.)

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