@socialjusticemunchkin you’re turning me into an ancap, please stop,
i need some memetic immunization, stat!
welfare is impossible without taxation and centralized coordination… welfare is impossible without taxation and centralized coordination…
don’t worry, “cap” as we know it is impossible with an “an” because there wouldn’t be a way to coerce people into living under a system they don’t want and thus the ancoms and ancaps would actually have to compete for whose system serves people’s needs the best instead of just looting the commons and handing oppressed easily-exploitable labor to cronies the way statcaps and statcoms alike operate
and if property rights were defined according to what organically arises from spontaneous order (it’s not like there would be alternatives), one would expect to see people having things like anarcho-syndicalist communes delivering effectively-welfare from the basic concepts of “our shit, no takey, go away looters” and “it’s actually nice to live in a community where people share things and take care of each other” and thus setting a floor for the possible misery of people
and i’m back to protesting anarchism for the sake of preventing feudalism’s natural rise from anarchy (the exact same mechanisms that incentivize aggregation of market power, but with more explicit force).
my promethea-model is saying the response to this is the minarchistic exogov that acts as a form of meta-state. problem is i haven’t read those posts because ow my head.
what prevents the use of force but consolidated force, what prevents the use of consolidated force but greater-consolidated force, what prevents that greater-consolidated force from being the centralized state itself? how can force be consolidated save through use of force? where did the articles of confederation fail where this mechanism wouldn’t?
it’s the distribution of violence
feudalism arises from a situation where a single trained knight in armor can pwn whatever number of peasants
non-centralized power arises from a situation where people can pwn each other and refrain from doing so because they don’t want to get pwned in turn
anarchy could well be like the “horrible coordination” thought experiment in a stable non-centralized order: anyone who tries to consolidate force gets force consolidated against them only for the purpose of stopping them and afterwards the force gets immediately deconsolidated to avoid others consolidating against it
of course, this necessitates that the tools of such order be distributed widely so small groups of people can’t hoard them and enforce their order on everyone else
the minarchistic exogov (or ‘mvg’ for suckless-style naming that doesn’t get mixed up with authoritarianism) is just a “if there is a state, this would be a quite non-terrible one”, I haven’t managed to hack it to output effectively-anarchism (YGM, cut me some slack it’s only a day old) as an inevitable outcome of nicely-engineered incentive gradients; Elon Musk has said that there should be direct democracy on Mars and mvg could be a tolerable implementation of it as it could provide a very libertarian society at least in places where people want to have libertarianism (and it could be implemented as a very hands-off “the only rule of the pseudo-anarchist state is that all other attempts to start a state are banned”)
Firewall is the actual attempt to solve the issue of “okay there’s some stuff we really need to centrally coordinate even in an anarchist system”
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