Nothing is going to change. Americans love their guns more than they love people and after Sandy Hook we decided that killing over 20 children was acceptable and not outrageous enough to make reasonable restrictions on guns. This is America, a country that has been around for 200 years, a superpower, a 1st world nation, and one of the wealthiest countries on the planet and we refuse to protect our own people. We respect guns more than we respect the lives of people.
What specific gun control measures would you propose and how would they directly and effectively make society safer?
Absolutely get rid of all AR-15′s and the like.
Intense background and criminal background checks and anything violent automatically disqualifies you.
Make getting a gun/gun permit more like getting a driver’s license:
permit to learn
includes an exam with 18 or more questions on the policies, laws, and etc of guns and gun ownership
if you get more than 8 questions incorrect you must retake it.
30 hours of practical experience at a gun range with a licensed teacher
Must take a 5 hour class on the dangers of guns and how to use them safely which will then yield you a certificate that grants you to take the practical exam and lasts for one year. If you don’t gain the license within the allotted year you must retake the class.
A practical exam with a licensed instructor who will grade you on various skills. If you pass you may be granted a permit on the weapon of your choice, the exams may differ on the type of firearm you want.
Follow the Japanese model where you must have two gun safes in different areas of the house, one to store the gun and one to store the bullets and you must provide the police with information on where those safes are.
No concealed carry and only handguns may be allowed to be out in public.
If transporting a weapon, it must be in the trunk of the vehicle, in a bag or some other case, safety on and unloaded and may not leave the vehicle until you are at the destination.
If you’re a hunter or some other gun hobbyist that requires a functional weapon other than a handgun then the gun must stay on the premises, whether that is a gun range or the Fish and Wildlife facility.
If you live in a rural area where police (and people, for that matter) are few and far between, something akin to a deer hunting rifle should provide plenty of protection from predators and poachers, you still have to follow the aforementioned steps.
This doesn’t cover everything but I think it’s a good place to start.
Can you show me evidence that this would directly and effectively create a safer society?
I have never laughed so hard at a gun law post. Like seriously, the evidence is in fucking reality. The proposed restrictions are just fucking logic.
IIRC, gun control is useful for reducing suicides but not that useful for reducing murders?
Also, mass shootings aren’t a good basis for legislation, but if you’re focusing on them anyway, most of this probably wouldn’t help much. I feel like most terrorists could answer questions about how to use guns safely.
Absolutely get rid of all AR-15′s and the like.
Meaning “semiautomatic long guns” or “scary-looking guns”? The first is debatable, the latter is a terrible basis for laws. But if one wants to “absolutely get rid of”, that sounds like implying taking those guns away from their owners and…yeah, not going to happen in America. Even if it was a good idea (I don’t know whether it would be), it’s not an idea that would ever work.
Intense background and criminal background checks and anything violent automatically disqualifies you.
Making gun permits depend on being a well-behaved citizen is a good idea. I wouldn’t go as far to disqualify everyone with the slightest background of violence because people fuck up and get better (eg. having lesser crimes make one ineligible for a certain number of years would be satisfactory), but as a general rule yes, let responsible, peaceful, law-abiding (as far as victimful crimes go) people have guns (and make the permits easy to obtain if one is responsible, and easy to lose if one acts irresponsibly later) and just filter out the bad apples.
Make getting a gun/gun permit more like getting a driver’s license:
permit to learn
includes an exam with 18 or more questions on the policies, laws, and etc of guns and gun ownership
if you get more than 8 questions incorrect you must retake it.
30 hours of practical experience at a gun range with a licensed teacher
Must take a 5 hour class on the dangers of guns and how to use them safely which will then yield you a certificate that grants you to take the practical exam and lasts for one year. If you don’t gain the license within the allotted year you must retake the class.
A practical exam with a licensed instructor who will grade you on various skills. If you pass you may be granted a permit on the weapon of your choice, the exams may differ on the type of firearm you want.
I’d replace the mandatory hours part with just a thorough examination without regard for how those skills were exactly obtained. Such courses tend to become fodder for rentseekers via regulatory capture when the licensed gun teachers start lobbying ever more onerous requirements. Show me that you know how to handle the gun responsibly in both theory and practice, and that you can pass the shooting test (and a health examination on eg. eyesight and some other issues that might pose a risk) and you’re good.
Assuming $20/h for the range and class, the costs would end up being $700 for the mandatory parts and the examination probably won’t be free either. That’s not only incredibly expensive, but also adversarial towards people who have learned their skills from eg. parents (”sure, you could pass the exams anyway, but we’ll make you sit through a whole workweekful of stuff regardless because fuck you that’s why, and oh yes you’ll be paying an arm and leg to politically connected cronies for it too”) and thus fails the basic requirement of “don’t antagonize the people you’re regulating”.
If you want to build regulations that have a sense of legitimacy and thus might not be immediately repealed the instant political winds change, don’t act like you’re putting up arbitrary barriers for the sake of barriers but instead figure out the least burdensome way of getting what you want while also giving the people you’re regulating as much of what they want as well. Treat it as positive-sum cooperation, not a zero-sum game of “let’s get rid of $unpopular_group”.
I know red-blue polarization that turns even ridiculously simple questions into Grand Matters of Principles and Destroying the Hated Outgroup is a time-honored american tradition, but it should seriously be dropped in favor of more productive approaches.
Follow the Japanese model where you must have two gun safes in different areas of the house, one to store the gun and one to store the bullets and you must provide the police with information on where those safes are.
That sounds expensive and would make poor people drop out of the legal gun system to the illegal gun system, an outcome everyone probably regards undesirable.
I think gun laws should start from the assumption that even a poor black guy in the ghetto, or a borderer out in the basically-third-world-appalachia, should be able to abide by the requirements to be a legal gun owner, because let’s face it, those people are going to have guns and having their guns be legal would be far better than having them be illegal.
No concealed carry and only handguns may be allowed to be out in public.
Concealed carry makes it impossible for attackers to reliably know who are packing and provides a slight degree of security through obscurity to anyone. Open carry creeps people out, shows which ones are safe to attack, and I don’t think criminals on their way to do crime would obey carrying restrictions anyway. A gun is like a penis: I don’t mind a person having one as long as they don’t use it to do violence to people because I know many people like having them and using them responsibly, but I’d prefer if people didn’t wave them around in public. So if anything, I’d say yes for concealed carry, but you may only take your gun out in serious circumstances or suitable locations.
Probably the best rule on this would be that local communities may choose whether they allow open carry or not, and then I could live in one where open carry isn’t allowed and others may have their own style.
If transporting a weapon, it must be in the trunk of the vehicle, in a bag or some other case, safety on and unloaded and may not leave the vehicle until you are at the destination.
I don’t feel qualified to comment on this one.
If you’re a hunter or some other gun hobbyist that requires a functional weapon other than a handgun then the gun must stay on the premises, whether that is a gun range or the Fish and Wildlife facility.
This means that the facilities become targets for violent criminals seeking to obtain weapons, especially if illegal gun trade has been reduced. If it’s in a densely populated area effectively supervised by neighbors it’s not that much of an issue, but it’s a lot harder to adequately defend a valuable location with a fuckload of guns out in the wilderness, or some industrial area without that much traffic (especially if it isn’t manned 24/7, and it probably isn’t), than to store the guns in a decentralized manner (ie. in people’s homes) so the mafia doesn’t have a single place to raid profitably and not even be discovered until some time after the fact. (I think some european country tried exactly this and found that it was a very very good way to discreetly distribute lots of weapons to organized crime)
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