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5 Reasons I Don't Give An Eff About Swearing In Front Of My Kids

(scarymommy.com)

ilzolende:

another-normal-anomaly:

eversolewd:

adultprivilege:

What the fuck is this shit? How can you swear around your kids and expect them not to?

I was excited about this article for a second because we raise my kiddo in an open language household and I’d hoped this was a article in support.
I clearly have too much faith.

1) If you’re gonna teach your kids to swear, they’re gonna swear. Put up with it.*

2) Why would you explicitly mention your kids aren’t allowed to use the toaster? Anyone old enough to physically reach a toaster is probably intelligent enough to understand bread in–>lever down–>wait–>toast happens. No?

*actually my mom taught me how to swear in live 7th grade, but I didn’t start doing it until mid-high school. Whatever, I had problems. I’ve been making up for lost time since.

What’s with this fucking sumptuary-law-esque bullshit?

one of the true benefits of adulthood is being totally free to say whatever the eff I want, whenever I want, without getting grounded. Boom! Soft benefits, baby!

And you can also give this benefit to your kids! Shouldn’t everyone get to have nice things?

But while I am on board with showing them the ropes as they grow up, they are not grown-ups yet, and until further notice, it is “do as I say and not as I do.” So they are not allowed to swear; nor are they allowed to drive, use the toaster, cross the road alone, or drink watermelon martinis.

Driving isn’t a privilege, it’s a duty. Kids who think they want to drive usually want to play racing games and crash their cars into everything. Also, eating food and drinking beverages in front of kids that they can’t have is pretty rude, IMO.

I need to give true voice to my feelings

And so do I. If someone forgets about your existence at a conference daycare center long enough that it’s time for you to sleep and so you have to make a fake bed out of chairs and towels, or refuses to let you see the test results that you spent your entire Saturday generating, or says that you have to get an extremely painful vaccine, you are somewhat justified in swearing, regardless of age.

At the altar of motherhood, I have already sacrificed sleeping, sanity, perky boobs, my knowledge of popular music, career opportunities, manicured nails, all of our money, fashion, an understanding of current events, the energy to complete even a TV marathon, slim-fit jeans—I could go on. Must I also give up my communication style and my preferred mode of self-expression?

Things your kids probably not only don’t have but never voluntary chose to not have: Control over their sleep cycles (assuming you set bedtimes), breasts, getting to choose what music they want to listen to (if you don’t let them swear, I assume you don’t let them listen to rap, for one), capacity to be legally employed, permission to get their nails done (maybe they do, but how would you have time to get it for them if you can’t do it for yourself), significant amounts of money, access to arbitrary styles of clothes, permission to do a TV marathon, etc. So surely they’re as entitled to swear as you are, yes?

Oh, it’s the NRx school of parenting: “I’m stronger so I make the rules, suck it up weaklings for thou hastn’t gudgitten and overthrown me”

Although my money is on these people later writing entitled thinkpieces on how kids these days don’t sacrifice arbitrarily for their parents and it’s such a terrible thing that they couldn’t manufacture myrmidons that would satisfy every single one of their whims as a debt for existing.

2 days ago · tagged #youth rights #every sin begins from treating people as product · 66 notes · source: adultprivilege · .permalink


ilzolende:

nostalgebraist:

Future societies will look back on economics as a kind of foolish male mysticism, and Marçal’s book anticipates the tone of their laughter.

Decided to read the article being quoted. The article itself is fine, but it makes the book sound very unappealing.

  • We actually mentioned “GDP doesn’t cover unpaid within-household labor” and “GDP is weird about natural resources” in econ class, and this was a 1-semester Econ For Normal People class.
  • “Is that what humans are: Homo Economicus?” No? That’s a name that’s different from “Homo sapiens” for a reason.
  • I dislike the idea that my gender is fundamentally linked to collectivism and dependency. If this is what it means to be female, then send me testosterone pls.

The obvious solution is to abolish marriage as an institution where some people are expected to perform labor without compensation, and all other such institutions as well. Every worker deserves their reward, in whatever means of exchange they agree to with the person who benefits from their work.

And the book sounds sexist and gender-essentializing and while probably taking apart some stuff that needs to be taken apart, also grotesquely mischaracterizes a lot of stuff. It is also misgendering me as a “man” to which I will take exceptional levels of offense to.

Another article about it doesn’t help. Straw everywhere. Sounds like sneer culture. It seems to be approximately getting at the root of the problem (the working woman doesn’t get her pay because reasons) and shies off from the obvious implications (eradicate reasons, have the value-creators receive their pay) in favor of something vague which I’m worried would end up being “let’s use the state apparatus of violence to hurt promethea because money don’t real and economy don’t matter”.

There always seem to be undertones of “introduce mandatory maternal leave and make the ~employers~ pay for it” because what women need is totally a violently enforced structure making it economically rational to discriminate. But wait rationality don’t real so that’s why ~just commanding~ people to pay workers who don’t work will obviously work and it’s not like such laws have created a situation where asking people whether they are planning to have children is illegal and thus employers just discriminate indiscriminately against anyone who’s younger than 40 and looks like they might have a uterus.

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exsecant:

light-rook:

lisp-case-is-why-it-failed:

ilzolende:

For the record: I know there’s this idea that infodumping at people is bad, but I am definitely interested in being infodumped at about economics, history, linguistics, and probably lots of other things.

Yes, send me your infodumps.

This is a pro-infodump blog.

Infodump at me about anything and everything. I (a person who writes and memorizes lists of weird animal facts as conversation starters) can return the favor.

Also: it is impossible to derail my posts, because they are all way off the rails and miles from the nearest train track to begin with. If you think something is worth commenting, comment. I promise I’m not going to randos-in-my-activity you.

Another infodump enjoyer reporting in.

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2 days ago · tagged #user's guide to interacting with a promethea · 78 notes · source: ilzolende · .permalink


veronicastraszh:
“ thathopeyetlives:
“ jbeshir:
“ A counterpoint from first time this was going around, tagline: Who the heck needs this? People with disabilities say they do. Turns out a surprising number of disabilities (and just advanced aging)...

veronicastraszh:

thathopeyetlives:

jbeshir:

A counterpoint from first time this was going around, tagline: Who the heck needs this? People with disabilities say they do. Turns out a surprising number of disabilities (and just advanced aging) are detrimental to physical dexterity in ways that make peeling an orange really hard.

I think letting people buy what they find helpful rather than deciding for them is a better way of choosing what uses of resources are a waste and which ones are worthwhile convenience, and it’s kind of sad that Twitter judgements and snark succeeded in getting the product stopped.

We can always tax raw resource usage if we want to reduce it.

Thinking a bit about this. Surely cheaper / more efficient to wrap them in waxed paper, pull tap to make opening just as easy?

Would wax paper survive shipping as well? Would it maintain freshness as well?

I mean, clearly it would create less waste – if nothing else, waste that is easier to pack into a small space. But still.

Wax paper would definitely not protect them when handling (shipping is not a problem; they make them locally at the store by peeling oranges and packaging them in the boxes). Oranges are squishy and soft, they need something like their normal peels, or a hard-ish box. The best improvement to this I could easily name would be using water-soluble plastic so it doesn’t become an environmental issue; everything else seems to be quite solid.

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Enforcing the Law Is Inherently Violent

(theatlantic.com)

molibdenita:

socialjusticemunchkin:

rendakuenthusiast:

funereal-disease:

guerrillamamamedicine:

Law professors and lawyers instinctively shy away from considering the problem of law’s violence.  Every law is violent.  We try not to think about this, but we should.  On the first day of law school, I tell my Contracts students never to argue for invoking the power of law except in a cause for which they are willing to kill. They are suitably astonished, and often annoyed. But I point out that even a breach of contract requires a judicial remedy; and if the breacher will not pay damages, the sheriff will sequester his house and goods; and if he resists the forced sale of his property, the sheriff might have to shoot him.

This is by no means an argument against having laws.


It is an argument for a degree of humility as we choose which of the many things we may not like to make illegal. Behind every exercise of law stands the sheriff – or the SWAT team – or if necessary the National Guard. Is this an exaggeration? Ask the family of Eric Garner, who died as a result of a decision to crack down on the sale of untaxed cigarettes. That’s the crime for which he was being arrested. Yes, yes, the police were the proximate cause of his death, but the crackdown was a political decree.

The statute or regulation we like best carries the same risk that some violator will die at the hands of a law enforcement officer who will go too far. And whether that officer acts out of overzealousness, recklessness, or simply the need to make a fast choice to do the job right, the violence inherent in law will be on display. This seems to me the fundamental problem that none of us who do law for a living want to face.  

But all of us should.

It is an argument for a degree of humility as we choose which of the many things we may not like to make illegal.

I’m a fan of Conor Friedersdorf’s brand of libertarianism.

Are any readers persuaded by the notion that some laws they would otherwise support are better repealed, or never passed, because the benefits do not justify the violence that is likely to be triggered, sooner or later, by attempts at enforcement?

Some laws? Maybe. All laws? Well, I wouldn’t want to beat Bernie Madoff to death, but I still think he should be in jail – so, I guess not?

And if we’re going to invoke unintended consequences, I might as well mention that a weak rule of law can lead to unethical business practices (e.g., breaking your debtors’ legs), vigilante mobs and even civil war – so, is not enforcing the law also inherently violent?

I don’t want Madoff to be in jail, I want him to pay back the stuff he scammed and to work for a sufficient fraction of the rest of his life in the most profitable job he can while losing almost all of that money to those he hurt. Him rotting in jail helps nobody, and only hurts both him and innocent people who are forced to pay for keeping him there.

And ultimately everything is inherently violent. It’s violence all the way down; the only question is how to minimize it so that as much non-violence as possible can be built on top. And when it comes to that, handing the democratic mob a ready and simple tool to do violence to those who do things the mob doesn’t like.

@cassisscared: “No, at least to OP, because in most cases of application of a law violence is never involved; in most cases it is no-one dies. Deciding whether to use a tool based on one of the worst-case outcomes of that tool is just bad decision-making.”

I think this is kind of non-relevant; most of the time people submit to laws because they know that violence will ensue if they don’t. If it wasn’t about violence people could be just asked to not/do things.

One could construct a similar argument that the mafia collecting protection payments is mostly non-violent as in most cases nobody gets hurt.

And I don’t think it’s just about the worst-case outcomes; it’s (at least my version is) more about the fact that it adds violence to the universe and ends up doing coercion, which is bad because it forces people to do things against their will which is Obviously Terrible . Coercion is hard to minimize if it’s widely accepted that people may impose arbitrary coercion just because they like/don’t like something. There’s an empirical claim that more generally reducing people’s ability to make certain kinds of laws might end up making the world better even if it causes some harmful effects (because you can never have a perfect utopia). Strong constitutions, limited government in both scope and intrusiveness, etc. would make it harder to make many kinds of laws but if they are calibrated to mostly affect the kinds of laws the making of which is a predictably bad idea they would quite likely be a good thing.

4 days ago · tagged #the best heuristic for oppressed people since sharp stick time · 394 notes · source: The Atlantic · .permalink


Enforcing the Law Is Inherently Violent

(theatlantic.com)

rendakuenthusiast:

funereal-disease:

guerrillamamamedicine:

Law professors and lawyers instinctively shy away from considering the problem of law’s violence.  Every law is violent.  We try not to think about this, but we should.  On the first day of law school, I tell my Contracts students never to argue for invoking the power of law except in a cause for which they are willing to kill. They are suitably astonished, and often annoyed. But I point out that even a breach of contract requires a judicial remedy; and if the breacher will not pay damages, the sheriff will sequester his house and goods; and if he resists the forced sale of his property, the sheriff might have to shoot him.

This is by no means an argument against having laws.


It is an argument for a degree of humility as we choose which of the many things we may not like to make illegal. Behind every exercise of law stands the sheriff – or the SWAT team – or if necessary the National Guard. Is this an exaggeration? Ask the family of Eric Garner, who died as a result of a decision to crack down on the sale of untaxed cigarettes. That’s the crime for which he was being arrested. Yes, yes, the police were the proximate cause of his death, but the crackdown was a political decree.

The statute or regulation we like best carries the same risk that some violator will die at the hands of a law enforcement officer who will go too far. And whether that officer acts out of overzealousness, recklessness, or simply the need to make a fast choice to do the job right, the violence inherent in law will be on display. This seems to me the fundamental problem that none of us who do law for a living want to face.  

But all of us should.

It is an argument for a degree of humility as we choose which of the many things we may not like to make illegal.

I’m a fan of Conor Friedersdorf’s brand of libertarianism.

Are any readers persuaded by the notion that some laws they would otherwise support are better repealed, or never passed, because the benefits do not justify the violence that is likely to be triggered, sooner or later, by attempts at enforcement?

(via nonternary)

5 days ago · tagged #it me #already 100% persuaded a long time ago #the best heuristic for oppressed people since sharp stick time · 394 notes · source: The Atlantic · .permalink


ozymandias271:

speakertoyesterday:

jadagul:

alexyar:

@nonternary reblogged your post and added: “jadagul: alexyar: @jadagul replied to your post:I can’t believe…”

#sure there’s the T#but has any of you ever needed to go anywhere the T goes

yes?!!! the T is perfect and I will hear nothing against it

wait nonternary, do you live in Pittsburgh?

I mean, I guess if you have a house in the suburbs then maybe, but T’s destination are in the exact opposite direction of where the actual city is

See, this is it exactly!

“Cities with good public transit” are cities where the trains connect the places the people who are talking want to go. That is, a train line that connects the suburbs where (those) people live to the city where they work.

Like, the Bay Area has a reputation for really good public transit. And this is totally undeserved. It’s spread out and comprises multiple totally distinct systems that don’t even connect up.

Unless you only want to see the airport, the SF city center, and possibly Berkeley. If those are your destinations it’s great. So it has a good reputation.

See also how cities are often judged by how easy it is to take the train from the airport into the business or academic areas. Despite the fact that even if you’re trying to hook up to the airport, on a per-trip basis it’s way more useful to connect the airport to the places where the workers live than to the places where the business travelers live. Or stay.

What? The Bay does not have a good transit reputation. Planners look at and maximize trip share, and here the Bay falls short because of Silicon Valley commuting being a mess. Downtown SF is a jobs center, but it isn’t the only one in the Bay Area.

I am SO ENTHUSIASTIC about Bay Area transit because I CAN LEAVE MY HOUSE

IF I WISH TO GO SEE A FRIEND, I CAN TAKE PUBLIC TRANSIT AND WIND UP NEAR WHERE MY FRIEND IS

as someone who spent the first twenty-three years of my life in Florida and Assend of Hell, Michigan, this is A M A Z I N G

I’m from Europe and the transit in the Bay Area is ~almost adequate~!

It’s like “you tried to code your program and it doesn’t catch fire and panic the kernel on every run, now make it actually do the thing it was supposed to do”. It’s like babby’s first mass transit in Cities Skylines. It’s like “I can’t think of any European city that would be relevant enough that anyone would know where it is and have worse mass transit but that doesn’t mean it’s the worst in the world, it’s just worse than any of the actually not-shitty ones”.

It’s like “I have no fucking clue why your local trains use diesel engines that sound like helicopters and can’t accelerate worth shit, but at least you have trains and that’s good by American standards”. It’s like “your metropolitan area of 8 million has almost as many light rail lines as a town of a quarter million in Europe, that’s not utterly horrible”. It’s like “your trams from the 1890s’ Europe are not horribly disgraced by giving dramatically worse service than they gave in the 1890s”.

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5 days ago · tagged #sometimes i need a euro pride tag · 57 notes · source: alexyar · .permalink


collapsedsquid:

invertedporcupine:

Unsurprisingly, I’ve seen a uptick in complaints about nationalism lately.  I’d like to take a bit to defend it here, which you might not expect given my liberal-to-liberaltarian leanings.  (The following is mostly not original thought, but it’s not clear to me that many people have actually read Ernst Gellner, Benedict Anderson, Mill v. Acton, etc.)

I think people make a mistake when they conflate “nationalism” with “blood-and-soil ethnic chauvinism”.  If you take a minimal functional definition of nationalism (in the way that a state can do many things, but the definition of what it is is just the monopoly on the legitimate use of force), nationalism is just the principle that “political boundaries should coincide with national ones,” whether the later be ethnic, cultural, or civic in nature.  In this sense (putting aside anarchism), your only two choices are to be a nationalist or an imperialist, since not accepting the nationalist principle implies belief that a central state can have legitimate political authority over peripheral territories that don’t constitute the same nation as the center.

I don’t mean to say here that I think the choice of nationalism over imperialism is the obvious one; only that these should be the terms of the actual debate over what is at stake: is the freedom of the citizenry/the utility of the population inside and outside of one’s own national boundaries maximized by drawing the political lines in the same place as the national ones, or not?

What the defining characteristics of the nation should be is a separate, arguably subordinate debate.  As a liberal, civic nationalist, it pains me to see my center-left fellows ceding the theoretical ground to the uglier elements of the right, allowing the latter to define nations in ethnic terms, and embracing imperialism, if only by default and by accident.  This is how you end up with liberal internationalists who become difficult to distinguish from neoconservatives.

@deusvulture @argumate

The issue here applies within nations as well.  Nations will do things that affect other nations, and as long as that’s the case, there’s going to be some way of settling disputes between them.

And, I mean, this sort of thing is meant to basically be federalism, and I’m not sure how your framework interprets, say, the role of California in the United States and then maybe the role of San Fransisco in California. Is it imperialist to have California governed by the United States? This seems to reduce to calling any government at all imperialist, which makes it not really distinguishable from nationalism apart from what arbitrary level you assume governance should happen in.

In this sense (putting aside anarchism), your only two choices are to be a nationalist or an imperialist, since not accepting the nationalist principle implies belief that a central state can have legitimate political authority over peripheral territories that don’t constitute the same nation as the center.

Is it imperialist to have California governed by the United States? This seems to reduce to calling any government at all imperialist, which makes it not really distinguishable from nationalism apart from what arbitrary level you assume governance should happen in.

And then there are us who consider this a feature, not a bug; the most vulnerable minority being the individual and all that. It doesn’t stop being external imposition by aliens with a foreign culture and foreign values just because they are spatially and genetically closer than other aliens. Recognizing that all government is inherently imperialism in this sense goes a long way in the harm-reduction department. And thus nationalism is evil because it privileges a certain level of imperialism as pure and good and commendable.

6 days ago · tagged #the best heuristic for oppressed people since sharp stick time #this is a nationalism hateblog · 20 notes · source: invertedporcupine · .permalink


So you still believe you are ruling the World?

shieldfoss:

I should perhaps add that I read @socialjusticemunchkins original post as freeform poetry rather than a as a specific policy paper, and I read @thathopeyetlives‘ reply in the same vein - I know from her history that SJM isn’t as uncharitable as it was necessary to be to write that piece with such a sense of righteousness. True righteousness is - unfortunately - in short supply in the real world, so you have to paint in unrealistically vivid colors to summon it in text.

This is mostly correct, although the specific policy of “let’s split Britain into Scotland, unified Ireland, London and England” (Wales can choose independence or England) is something I actually would endorse. It would make people live in countries that are more likely to be a good fit for them culturally and in terms of policy; it would also reduce the power of nationalism by opening the doors for all other European major cities’ secessions as well, which is something I do find a good idea overall as the tribes U and R are too different from each other to be forced to share a polity.

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1 week ago · tagged #kill the leviathan · 59 notes · source: socialjusticemunchkin · .permalink


So you still believe you are ruling the World?

shieldfoss:

socialjusticemunchkin:

rocketverliden:

thathopeyetlives:

socialjusticemunchkin:

lisp-case-is-why-it-failed:

socialjusticemunchkin:

What if Brexit is the true end of the 20th century? What if instead of a resurgence of atavistic nationalism, this was the beginning of its final death throes?

Imagine Brexit tearing apart Britain as Scotland and Ireland separate into their own countries, London turns into a city-state like a (marginally less totalitarian) Singapore of Europe, hopefully also taking Oxford and Cambridge with it out of the rotten husk of an empire England has turned into.

It would suck horribly for innocent people in England, but it would have a certain spiteful sense of justice and vindication; the R tribe tried to impose its values on tribe U, but instead only managed to destroy its country in the name of making it great again. Nationalism dealing the killing blow to the empire which once ruled half the world. The R tribe relies on looting U regions with its “democracy” to fund the imposition of its reactionary worldview and there could be nothing better than for tribe U to turn R’s tricks against it by showing that exit is a two-way street.

Scotland becoming independent seems like almost a given; Irish unification is promising but London is the truly interesting one. If London were to secede, it would show that the nation-state is powerless in the face of global power. The old borders wouldn’t be safe anymore. If the City’s loyalty lies with the rest of the world instead of people sharing some superficial genetic and cultural characteristics, it might open the floodgates everywhere else as well and slay the 19-20th century leviathan for good.

A lot of people have expressed worry that this would be the resurgence of the nation-state and the end of the internationalist project.

I think this might just as well be the end of the nation-state instead.

The age of the nation-state began at the end of the medieval free cities, as cannons allowed kings of the countryside to enforce their rule on cities as well. The social-cultural construct of the nation-state happened in earnest when the nations began shedding their kings and unifying themselves, and it’s easy to see why people might then conclude that the nation-state is the natural endpoint of history to which things will always revert…

Pardon him, Theodotus: he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature.

There is no inherent reason why nation-states would be the natural division of people.

Sure, when one looks at the maps, one can clearly see how Scotland is a naturally different polity than England and trying to forcibly keep them together is just asking for trouble.

But London is naturally different too. What does Sadiq Khan’s city have in common with the English UKIP-voting hordes who were willing to ruin their country because they hate brown people? A language, but San Francisco speaks the same language as London. Geographical location, but Ulster managed to stay separate from Ireland for a long time, and Singapore hasn’t been annexed by Malaysia. Political entity, but brexit has shown that polities can be reshaped by the will of the people constituting them.

Nation-states haven’t been a constant in history, but cities have. Every time it has been technologically and societally possible, humans have flocked together and increased each other’s prosperity with trade and cooperation. Democratic nation-states are economically artificial, kept together by barely disguised force; the Paris Commune was brought down by the king’s cannons, not by its own economic infeasibility. The history of the nation-state can be seen as the countryside gaining a capability to loot the cities, and constructing fictions to support this; now what happens if that capability is gone?

When one looks at the data, cities are clearly a different animal from the countryside. Wealthy, liberal, cosmopolitan, globalist. London has far more things in common with Amsterdam and New York than with the English countryside, and in a sense the relationship between the city and the countryside leeching off it via the nation-state is always inherently under a certain tension; now what happens if this is the last straw?

Why should London be loyal to England, when England has shown itself able and willing to only ever take and take? When Scotland tears apart from the union, London’s northern ally in internationalism will be gone and it will be ever more isolated, surrounded by people who are all too willing to enjoy the fruits of London’s prosperity yet completely unwilling to contribute to it, even the bare minimum amount of not actively sabotaging the things that make such prosperity possible in the first place. The story of Atlas Shrugged is naive in its individualistic hero-worship, but replace the few greater-than-life personalities with millions of people, and Galt’s Gulch with London and it starts making a strange amount of sense.

If London were to leave England to the mess of its own making, it would deal a humiliating blow to the countryside, itself grown fat off the loot from the cities and fearful of immigrants and foreigners, the exact people who created the riches the countryside has for so long been stealing through the ballot box. And it’s not like the cities are even unwilling to share their riches; and it certainly might be different if all the countryside asked for was some money so it doesn’t starve, but the countryside is not satisfied with material sharing; what it truly wants is submission.

Like a classical abusive partner, the countryside has always been telling the city it cannot survive alone, yet in reality only the threat of violence is the only thing maintaining the relationship. The countryside stays at home, growing ever more unemployed and useless, while the city is working hard to feed them both. The countryside continuously stalks the city whenever it leaves the house, suspicious of everything the city is doing with foreigners, prone to jealous fits of anger whenever the city doesn’t submit sufficiently to its will. “What are you doing with those foreigners and immigrants? Do you not love me? I am your only one, nobody else may have you!”

Why doesn’t the city just leave?

As usual, the immediate reason is that the dangers of leaving are greater than the dangers of staying. “Sure, the countryside is under a lot of stress but deep down it loves me and after all, it’s not that bad, at least compared to what it would do to me if I tried to dump it; remember what happened to poor Paris?” But if the countryside grows abusive enough, its threats empty enough, the city’s allies strong enough to protect it from its ex, would the city still stay?

I hope the answer is no, and I hope the last straw will be here and now.

If the countryside is so blatantly willing to impose its rottenness on the cities, let it rot away. If democracy creates reactionary atavistic nation-states, to hell with democratic states then. Tribe R doesn’t create the wealth, yet it will always demand its share. “Buy American!” “Britain first!” “Auslander raus!” “Rajat kiinni!” Tribe R will happily take tribe U’s money, but it will reject its values and seek to impose its own. Via the democratic majority rule of the nation-state this strategy has always seen a degree of success; the amount of liberty that’s legal in cities has always been constrained by the conservative countryside. This is clearly an abusive relationship, now what if the cannon marriage of city and country were finally broken?

If London said “no”, would 2016 idly watch by like 1871? What rhetorical pretzels would the nationalists tie themselves into as “fellow brits” rejected their nightmarish utopia? “But you were supposed to be one of us” they would say, and London would whisper “no”. What if the reactionary populism was shown to be the blatant robbery it is? What if England was left to its own devices, without London’s money and influence? The populists could not make Britain great again; they would trash their own country and come begging for foreign aid at London’s doorstep. Without tribe U, tribe R is nothing but a raving bunch of barbarians. A country made solely of Clinton’s voters would still be a global power; a country made solely of Trump’s voters would be a backwards hellhole.

And if tribe R is willing to tear apart political structures at its whims, I say let them have a taste of their own medicine. If they would split the “artificial fiction” of the EU, let us split the artificial fiction of Britain! Let us leave them to their own devices, wallowing in a misery of their own creation. They had a choice, all of them. They could have followed in the footsteps of the IWW or Adam Smith. Decent people who believed in the common good of international cooperation without borders. Instead they followed the droppings of demagogues and populists and didn’t realize that the trail led over a precipice until it was too late. Don’t tell me they didn’t have a choice. Now the whole Europe stands on the brink, staring down into bloody Hell, all those reactionaries and nationalists and rabble-rousers… and all of a sudden nobody can think of anything to say.

Call their bluff. Show them what they are made of. Show them that the world has new rules now, and new rules. That the mob of the nation-state cannot impose its terms upon the cities any longer. That we would’ve been willing to share our riches if that had been the only thing they asked for, but of course it never truly was about the riches in the first place; no, it was jealousy and fear over our way of life, something they wanted to extinguish just as much as to simply loot.

Let this be the end of the EU, but not the new dawn of the nation-state. Instead…

The end of the nation-state and the new dawn of the free city.

London, be our Lucifer, our morningstar, to bear the light to a brighter future free from the oppression of democratic nationalism, nationalistic democracy!

So you still believe you are superior?

What odds do you put on Scotland getting independence within the next five years?

What’s your distribution over the GDP of the UK in the next ten years?

Also I think you are massively mischaracterizing Tribe R, in a totally unfair and honestly kind of mean-spirited way. I’ve met Trump voters. I don’t think they would turn the country into a backwards hellhole. Trump might, but whether his voters would is less obvious. You seem to think that everyone who might vote for Trump (or BREXIT) must be as bad a Trump or Nigel Farage. Tribe R is not made of evil mutants! They’re not going around, scheming about how to mug cities! They’re scared, and frustrated, and maybe ignorant, but they aren’t evil

Sure, you pay lip service to the “innocent” ones, but then you spend a dozen paragraphs talking about how awful the countryside is. It’s like when SJs go on a long rant about how all men are dangerous and uncontrolled, but they add a little note saying “Oh, but if you’re not like this then you’re fine and this doesn’t apply to you, teehee.”

This whole thing is just… really vindictive. I’m not sure I even disagree with your policy proposals (I have no idea what would happen if London seceded). But, like, the point of London leaving isn’t to punish those stupid poor people for daring to stand up for themselves. 

I know I’m being totally mean and petty and vindictive in this; if I hadn’t been totally fed up with nation-state democracy already Brexit would’ve been a pretty clear last straw. National democracy doesn’t work. This is what happens when you put people of starkly different tribes together and tell them the majority gets to decide. You get populists, looting, reactionaries, cronyism, and all kinds of bullshit.

I’m not from the UK, but Finland has a similar situation with tribe R as well. Why the fuck are they voting on my life? Why the fuck are a bunch of poor people from the provinces voting on my cosmopolitan urbanist opportunities? I’m not against sharing some of the wealth (although even in that department there’s way too much misspending; Finland could literally completely eradicate poverty with UBI and still cut its public sector by 6% of GDP) but I will not. fucking. submit.

The “poor people standing up for themselves” are doing it in a really shitty way. Trump might ruin the country, and he’s exactly the guy those people voted for, so “trump voters would ruin the country” is imo relatively justified considering that they’re voting for the guy who might ruin the country. They want protectionism, they want to reduce immigration, they want subsidies, they want all kinds of evil things.

Why would I owe them anything I don’t owe to a fruit peddler in Accra, or an assembly-line worker in Shenzen? Why would I owe them submission to their parochial values in addition to a huge share of the money they wouldn’t even allow me to make? Why would I owe them my life?

They protest that they are my compatriots, yet I am not anyone’s patriot. They yell that I’m from the same town; yes, they are the people who made a living hell of my childhood. I’m not even seeking to collect reparations for that; all I want is my freedom. All I want is for one country on this polished turd of a planet to not fall for the reactionary horde. One place where I could live free, among people who are not hostile to my very existence. I’m immigrants, I’m foreigners, I’m degenerates and queers and decadence and international trade and unregulated everything and all the things tribe R stands against everywhere. They would be so much happier amongst themselves, and so would I. Why on earth must everyone be locked into these nonconsensual hellholes of nation-states. The language is interesting but in the same way Quenya is; nothing that would entitle anyone to a piece of me. I’m expunging the names and places from my life; and even the accent I want to lose. Any ties they wish to enforce I’m willing to cut as soon as I can. Why would I owe them my life?

Why do we have to get along on pain of violence instead of going our own ways peacefully?

I might say that I’m triggered, if it wasn’t such a massive trivialization of triggers. I’m content-ed, perhaps. This shit. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, and their demands will not stop. They will never be satisfied until everything that makes my life possible is destroyed. They will pile on with endless demands that I must buy domestic pork instead of bolivian beans; that I should stay in my own country; that I owe everything to them; that they should be given the final say in everything about my life; that I have to beg them for mercy and permission alike for the sin of being different; the shadow over finnsmouth is hanging on my life and I’m afraid I can’t escape it before I can get off this planet altogether. Even then the leeches and moochers and bucketcrabs and poppycutters and redwashed rentiers might try to hang on, imposing space regulations from their strongholds on the old planet. And although I’m complaining about leeches and moochers I’d be more than thrilled to give them half of all the money I’ll ever make if that was the only thing they asked for in exchange for my freedom but they are never satisfied with just money no it’s my life they want and freedom must be extinguished.

If the world is so willing to hurt me, why would I owe it anything? My slytherin primary is flaring up really strongly and I’m in full self-defense panic mode. Me and Mine; destroy everything that tries to hurt these. Nothing personal that’s just the way it is just like everyone else “oh you’re harmed so massively by our well-meaning rules well too bad sucks to be you then it’s for the Greater Good and we know what it is not you” and I don’t even seek to destroy them all I want is to escape or fight with the viciousness of a cornered beast until I can yet I can’t because they control the whole world and they have the guns and the ballot boxes and the airwaves and the wiretaps in the backbone and they will keep coming and coming always demanding for more never satisfied while anything is still escaping their grasp and people are lucky to only lose their money for their only sin is having some but no such luck for my kind we are abominations and we must be eradicated for god and country and make everything great again

so yes I’m petty and vindictive because I’m fucking afraid of the normies and there’s nowhere to run and nowhere to hide

FINALLY SOME BREXIT DISCOURSE THAT DOESN’T MAKE ME CRINGE. 

Thank you…

Most honorable of enemies. 


And I will go back to the land. 


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I dunno, I’m not actually all for the post-apocalyptic traveling from township to township thing. I mean, if that happens, then good fucking luck with gun control at that point, for one thing. If anything, you’ll need guns in case Toecutter’s gang rolls into town looking to make a mess.

Plus, Oda Nobunaga and Jenghiz Khan were things. Eventually a new emperor may rise. America was born from 13 colonies. We may even yet see a true Earth Federation/New World Order established in our lifetimes even in spite of this. Point is, sometimes people cooperate and gain an advantage.

I do find it surprising that farmers and country people are apparently able to exert such influence on cities. I’d have assumed it was the other way ‘round: the city needs things like food and water to come from lands that aren’t paved over with concrete. Unless London plans to become a Hive City real soon with vertical farming.

City people can buy food and water, that’s not a problem (unless the country people spitefully besiege the city to loot it). The problem is politics; London has something like 7 million people while the rest of the country has over 45 iirc (I’m already counting out Scotland etc.). Thus the 45 million will vote to take not only London’s money but its freedom as well. Replacing the political relationship with an economic relationship would mean that the country (including all of the lesser cities as well) would only receive what it’s worth; London would choose where it buys its food from, and the maximum price of water would be limited to the cost of London achieving self-sufficiency.

Furthermore, this would mean that neither needs to impose its values upon the other. The Midlands don’t need to have free immigration or trade if they don’t want it, while London could open its borders for people and goods alike. London would grow richer, the Midlands would grow poorer, and that would be their own choice, not an external imposition. Or if I am wrong, the Midlands would prosper and London would fall. And as such I’d place my money where my mouth is, in a material statement of “I believe this will lead to good” and those who disagree could make their own claim and as long as neither imposes itself forcibly upon the other, the claim that is true will win and the claim that is false will lose, and thus both would perceive themselves as the winning side. The Midlands could protectionize their own industries and jobs as much as they want, but they could not use the threat of violence to force London to buy their inferior products over international ones.

And in the modern day cities are increasingly something that cannot truly be conquered; if someone were to invade London, all they could achieve would be the destruction of what made London an attractive target of invasion in the first place. The more the value of cities is volatile and immaterial, not tied to the land, the less sense it makes to conquer them. Bankers would flee, industries would be ruined, and the people under occupation who didn’t manage to escape don’t generate great entrepreneurial wealth to their occupiers. Both Nobunaga and Genghis were lords from the countryside, and all their kind would gain from invading London would be the ruins of one of the world’s greatest cities, ground to dust under their jackboots as the citizens of London would resist with drones, minifactured guns, and every kind of urban guerrilla warfare the deviousness of the modern day is able to come up with. They would invade London, and they would conquer Aleppo.

But what I don’t understand is why I would send inspectors to the hidden chapels? If you aren’t scheming to construct missiles to bring down our orbital cities, or dealing in the slavery of unwilling sapients, or tampering with things that could bring forth the destruction of the entire world, what reason would I have to intrude upon your peaceful ways? All I could ask for is that you let My People go, and like the God of Moses I would rain down wrath until they were freed, but anything more and I would be a tyrant myself. If those whose true happiness lies elsewhere are free to leave without you standing violently in their way, there would be need for nothing more, save for my sincere well-wishes for this new species which is obviously not mine yet deserving of sapient dignity and freedom to create its own fate without terror and tyrants just the same.

what I don’t understand is why I would send inspectors

I think a lot of the rural folk are asking that question too, but evidently, the fact that your inspection makes no sense hasn’t stopped you yet.

(Yes, yes, I know, you AnCap, but for the purposes of this post you are The Urban Populus)

While I cannot speak for neither Finland nor the country that @thathopeyetlives comes from, I will say that priests of the Danish People’s Church have, in fact, been sanctioned because their rural Christianity did not align with the dictates of the urban Ministry of the Church, and Muslim schools everywhere have been criticized for - shock - actually teaching the tenets of Islam.

You note - correctly - that rural people have been using the power of the state to impose on others - on foreigners and those who would trade freely with foreigners, on racial and sexual minorities, on everybody who would not fit adequately into their tiny worlds, but I think you know as well as I that the opposite happens too - it is the urban populace, not the rural, that restricts gun rights, that imposes a thousand pages of regulations on Johnson’s still before any alcohol can be sold to others, taxes gasoline and cars because nobody needs a car to get around in the town. It is the poor - found more often in the countryside than the city - who are hit the hardest when VAT is imposed, and the UK has a 20% VAT on standard goods like, say, jeans, hardly a luxury item.

Don’t get me wrong: Voting to leave the EU if you don’t like competing with foreigners when I’m hiring new staff? Dick move. Those foreigners have just as much a right to work for my money as you do. But there are real grievances, the power of the state, and the EU, is a heavy yoke on the countryside as well.

Yeah, those are very legit grievances, and ones which would be at least somewhat addressed by urban secession so that my fellow citi-zens don’t mistakenly meddle in the lives of people they don’t understand. Independent London wouldn’t be able to bother England’s people that way; thus, both sides win.

Also, Finland has a VAT of 24% and omfglol yes it’s as horrible as it sounds; americans with single-digit sales taxes: you have no idea.

(Also, for any reader who might be confused on this: not an ancap. At most I’m anarcho-capitalism’s far-left enbyfriend. It sure is a credit to Rothbard that he was able to figure out the legitimacy of land ownership distribution in the third world, or the correct procedure for privatizing-as-in-privacy both state-owned and state-uppropped businesses, and I do think that an ancap society wouldn’t be capable of certain kinds of horribleness a right-libertarian minarchy might be (specifically, related to passing the costs of policing to people who don’t use it; I’ve seen some libertarians advocate a flat poll tax for policing and my market intuitions are just screaming “distortion” as it could end up as a pretty literal police state when the users of the police’s services (eg. people with a lot of stuff the legitimacy of the having-of-which others disagree on) wouldn’t pay for the costs of incurring the need for the police’s services but instead make everyone else pay for it); but I don’t exactly consider myself an ancap. I recognize that my political views will one day end up misrepresented in a call-out post as “promethea is an ancap” and I’m resigned to this inevitable fate but I do want to pre-empt the credibility of such accusations and I also wanted to use “anarcho-capitalism’s far-left enbyfriend” just because.)

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